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True Temple is The Man Body

Sept. 13, Sawan Ashram

 

Have any blind people broken through other just seeing light? I mean have any blind people seen the Master within?

 

First time I went to America in 1955, in California, one blind doctor was there –blind –he got Light. This is so. He gives eyes to the blind man. It is very definite in the Bible that light is there. You see. It is a matter of inversion; rising above body consciousness. That’s all. I initiated more that three dozen blind men at one time. Light is already there. It is just a matter of withdrawing your attention front outside. It is just a matter of withdrawing your attention from outside. It appears to be impossible to see light within. Who will believe? You are light. You are a spark of light. Some visualizing light. But more people do see of themselves there are few who really know this. In the past, too, there were few. Not hundreds. How many saints can you count on your fingers: Christ, Budda, Nanak, Kabir. Very few. Out of thousands and millions and billions of people.

 

Were all ten of the Sikh Saints genuine saints?

 

They had Sikh Saints up to the tenth Guru. After that there are six Gurus. [Ratnagar Rao, Tulsi Sahib, Swami Ji, Jaimal Singh, Sawan Sing, Kirpal Sing [I tell you that Gurudom continued, you see. And still there are few of courses, not many.

 

Who was the link between the tenth Sikh guru and later Sikhs?

 

I tell you. The tenth guru was Guru Gobind Singh . . . . .the times were very disturbed when he was there. He left the scene. He did not die. He left the scene and remained there in seclusion for about 17 years. He took some of the people with him . . . . some state people. His family. In that family tulso came up . . . . . Tulsi Sahib. Tulsi was a  great Saint.

 

Tulsi was not directly initiated by Gobind Singh then.

 

Through him.

 

There was one other person in between. That person’s name. Is it available?

 

At least I know; it is not in history.

 

These are the stories that come up. The times were disturbed. Many people asked him what to do. He had to leave, go away. He said, “all right, what the scriptures say, “go to the Master .” his ideal was to raise people who are fully effulgent with light within.  A Khalsa who has light within, only he can give an experience of light to others.

 

I would imagine that last year [1969] when you toured the Punjab you explained these things that you’re now telling me to the Sikhs up there. How do they accept the idea that there has been a continuation?

 

They never object to my voicing that. I tell them. “God is light the physical body in which he manifests is the Guru. He resides in every heart. Where God fully manifests we cal him Saint. That’s all.” They cannot refute it.

 

But I mean are they happy about idea that the line was continued?

 

The staunchest have been initiated. The staunchest arya samajis have been initiated. The staunchest jains has been initiated. The stanches Mohammedans have been initiated. Roman Catholics have been initiated.

Is it making a big change in the basic Sikh church?

 

Most are struck fast like others religion –isms. They’re stuck fast in “isms.” That school is better where many students turn out successfully. What is the sign of success? They should see light within.

 

So you’re not trying to change the Sikh church really.

 

Well, you se these things are made with a very noble purpose. All “isms” are schools of thought. When men came to a Master who had solved the mystery of life, knew God. Later on when the Master left the scene, these school came into being. They are school. So long  as there are practical people, people were getting something . for want of practical people the same good old custom corrupts itself. Formations results in stagnation and stagnation result in deterioration. When a Master comes, he says, “ Well, dear friend you have forgotten.” He revives; no new things are given. Ever since this paid preaching has started in all religions, it has played havoc. They’ve not seen. Blind leads the blind. Both falling into the ditch.

 

Could religions be kept going if a number of Saints were sent to the world at the same time. Would that solve the problem?

 

I mean a number  of Saints could uncongealed them.

 

They’d awaken some of them; not all religions as a whole. They consider the performance of certain rites and rituals as the end all. This is what they have come to see. I’ll give you an example; who are you? You are soul, embodied soul. There is a light within you. There is the right way to know yourself. Now you are identified with the body so much, so you cannot differentiate yourself. When you rise above , you know. When you know, see the light. This is a fact. This is the of candles outside and praying, “God is light, God is light,” would it high voices, hands up, standing other toes, “oh god, help them.” Are soul. Have you seen God? Compare the man who has done that with another man who for a hundred years has been lighting, putting candles in chapels, churches, mosque, or temples. So you compare that. In India there is a ritual, etc., of the married people. But when they are married, they say all these things are forgotten.

 

The real spirituality is to know yourself. What did your guru say? Jot Niranjan –you’re jyothi. You are light . . . . . are you not? With your repetition of the names all these three lokas are within you; onkar, Rarunkar, means you transcends these three planes, lokas. Then you feel you and God are one. I and my Father are one; then you rise in it and transcend. These things are not explained fully, that’s the pity.  you daily say, “Oh, jot Niranjan.” What is it? You are jyothi, you are light, but you are entangled in the worldly things. To simply say, “God is light. I am not body . I am not this” –what will that do? And those who are struck only in the performance of rituals on certain day’s conground for preparation. But your ego is there. If you sow good, you’ll  reap good. So good and bad actions will result in good or bad because you are the doer. You’ll come and go, come and go. You cannot get out of this wheel of life. But if you see that he is the doer, not you, then there is no coming and going. And that comes only when you sit at the feet of a Master and you see the light within and hear the sound.

 

When Kennedy died, I saw the funerals on television. What was the Archbishop doing? He was  throwing wine. That intoxication is not the true in the right perspective. They think it is the end all. Do you know that many bishops have been initiated?

 

Catholic bishops?

 

Yes, I went to London on my first tour. I said in my talk, “God does not reside in temples made with stone.” One reverend stood up: “you have thrown an atom bomb on all our Christianity.” The fact remains… God resides in the house which he himself made, in this body: who is this body? It was made in the womb. Is there any machinery there? God lives in the temples he had made. Not in the temple made with stone by the hand of man. Now where does all this churchianity with stone by the temple he has made. Not in the temple  made with stone by the hand of man, if you’re going, all right, go on, then rise above it. It’s a polite way of telling, when you rise above, these things will leave you sure. They go. Master come to fulfill, not to destroy. All right, go on. There are 700 or more religion s. how can you change them? All have got their own  ways of living brought about by climatic influences, their own customs, their own temperaments. But climatic influences, their own customs, their own temperaments. But  this is something clear to everybody whether  you are made in this form or that form that make no difference. But Master say what they  see and let others that makes no different. But Master say what they see and let others see too. Where do all these  “isms “ stand , with due deference? The basic teaching are the same. It is new  thing I am telling you. Christ says, “I and my Father are one” . . . . “word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us” . . . . . . “I am the bread of life .” didn’t he say that and dwelt amongst us” . . . . . “ I am the bread of life.” Didn’t he say that? But now the teaching say Christ is the light of the whole world past and future. One Christian came up to me and said, “Those who will believe  in Christ will be saved, other will not.” And then I put him a question, “dear friend , that is right. Those who believe in Christ –Christ is a po –all right , but of those who came before Him, what will be their fate?” the Christ name is there. That’s all right. They may believe him but those who came before Him, what will be their fate? Well, they are struck fast like anything. So this is the fate too of the people in all religion. I think the Sikh gurus made a very universal thing. First of all they put  all the saying of as many Master as they could lay hands on in one book. Kabir is there, namdev is there.  No other religions has done that. They started a very universal thing and yet they are also stuck fast. They have forgotten.

 

The golden temple amritsir is the Sikh home. The stone was laid down by a Mohammedan, main Mir, at the request of Guru Arjan. They were all God realize people. When you rise above all these things isms and bodies you are one. Guru Arjan chose many Saints sayings that he cools lay hands on in the world. He united, put them all together [in the Guru granth sahib]. Their Guru made mosques for the Mohammedans, temples for  the Hindus –they are places of worship of God, that’s all . because the truth is one. As time passes on, I tell you, people remain stuck to the casing at the cost of the kernal, that’s all. This is truth. And I think quite convicting to any awakened man –awakened man I would say. Truly speaking body, is the temple of God. we reside in it and God is also resides there. You see? The true temple is the body. Where God is manifested, Light is there. Outer temples and  in the Mohammedan mosques, too. Now, if God forbid, an atom bomb fell on the church all people said, “All Hindus are at fault.” They would be ready to kill each other, people. Well, if temples made by the hands of man are destroyed, we also destroy hundreds of true temples. Where’s the wisdom in it? tell me? so we respect the outer temples because they have symbols of God; all of the temples, the churches, the mosques or the man temple where those symbols are manifested? Won't you say that? You'll say that, of course, won't you?

 

The body is more valuable. The Saint is in him. He is manifested. The others are only kept as symbols for remembrance. This is the truth. Will any Christian or Hindu or Sikh follow it? let there not be any misapprehension, misunderstanding, we have respect for all places of worship which were made after the model for a man body. And therein we have symbols  of Light and sound. People sit together, pray to God. we have love for them. But truth is that churches are made after the model of man, the truth temple of God . and he who has realize it here –in the man body –he does not break the heart of others, you see, he  does not molest does not in any way do something which may hurt others feelings. He says, “All right. Temples are good, but the true temple is there.” [Master points to his body.]