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Ungratefulness Is A Heinous Crime

 

Evening dashing, Rajpur, September 14, 1970

 

Last night, you referred to “shouting your message from the rooftops.”

 

Not, I but Christ.

 

Well, I know but  you also implied that we do so , too.

 

It is your duty to tell the people over there the truth; what you have come to know ; that there is something.

 

I was just wondering if you had any suggestions as to the best way that this could be accomplished.

 

I think you're a better judge.

 

How, do you feel about making use of all of the arts to tell the story? I mean not only in newspapers, radio, and television. What about novels? What about plays? What about poetry? What about music? Should all of them be empowered?

 

These are sewerage subject. Television of course is a very good medium for telling people. When I went to America I appeared on television. It was relay to other stations; they would ask us question and they would expect the answer then and there. Someone spoke from one station through the telephone.  The man who was interviewing me, be hearing my replies to these question, got initiated. He wanted initiation at once. My point is, when you see a thing is right and there's no doubt about it, then it becomes your duty to tell others, “Well, look here dear friend, you're  advanced physically, intellectually, and as we are also spirit, you should do something spiritually.” If he is got inkling, that inkling will arouse his interest. If he has no interest, then keep and he will be seeking further information.

 

A number of the young people who are becoming satsangis are wondering what kind of work to take up. You insist, of course, that people work to support themselves. Would you recommend that perhaps they look into the field of producing such things as novels, short stories and so on that have spiritual twist them?

 

Surely, that’s all right; that’s earned money. A man should stand on his own feet to earn money, by honest means. He can write stories with a spiritual  theme. Poets and writers and poets start writing maybe at midnight; anyway that inspiration comes direct. Sometimes they write what they do not know themselves; that things comes from within and they put it down in black and white.

 

That’s true of all the great writers, I imagine. Dictated from above?

 

Yes, that is why it is said, “poets are half Saints.” You might have read some of Tennyson. He speaks about his own concentration, “A kind of waking trace I have frequency had, from boyhood onward, when I have been all alone. This has generally come upon me through repeating my own name two or three times to myself silent till all at once, as it were, out of the intensity of consciousness of individually, the individuality itself seemed to dissolved and fade away into boundless being, and this is not a confuse state, but the clearest of the clearest, the sure of the surest, the wisest of wisest, utterly Beyond words, where death was a laughable impossibility, the loss of personality (if so it were), seemingly but the only true life. I am ashamed of my feeble description. Have I not said the state is utterly Beyond word?” so that state was archivist by repetition, dwelling Beyond words?” so that name is finite. God’s name is infinite. Tennyson was a born poet. His father did not like him to be a poet.

 

Is there the basis for a revival of the arts among satsangis, using satsangis as those in the forefront? Is there enough talent?

 

What do you mean by “Arts”? “Arts” is a very wide term.

 

I know. I suppose I think primarily in terms of the written arts.

 

I tell you these things come of themselves. I have had experience of that. Look at the Gurumat sidhant, the work I wrote in two volumes; one, nine hundred pages, the other, one thousands one hundred pages. I used to write at about eight or nine at night. I Satguru and was writing. One day some writer was they’re watching me. “From what are you writing so fate?” at about midnight he said, “Look here, you're writing so fast, you're not copying anything; but how do you write?” I said, “someone is dictating me, I cannot follow Him.”

 

You were writing that in Urdu?

 

In Punjabi. I have written books in English that way, under the shelter of this tree. There were some sitting arrangements then. [Master point to a tree nearby.]

 

That was dictated by sawan Singh?

 

It was initiation; the same.

 

Of course; you have put his name on the book.

 

It’s all due to Him.  How can one be ungrateful? Books are dedicated, “to God and to all in whom he manifested and Baba Sawan Singh, at whose feet I have imbedded the truth.” Ungratefulness is the most heinous crime in the world. Most heinous.

 

Well, what you're saying then is that the arts, if they are going to manifested, will flow through all sorts of unlikely people,  not only satsangis but many, many others, and so we perhaps should not concentrate on them in satsangis in order to promote and tell your message.

 

I don’t get what you mean. Do you mean that those who are not initiated, newcomers that they should not be told about this science? Is that what you mean?

 

Well, I had wondered at first if it would be possible to suggest to satsangis to look around to see if they had a novel in them or a play in them or something of that nature to tell the story that you have put in prose.

 

First tell them in general terms, “We are physically advanced but how far we developed all around. Otherwise he is an amputated man.” then if he is after it, he will put further question. If he is not then it is just like throwing pearls before swing. It is better to be quite. But just sound them out or say something very definite. When I give talk, I give it purely in the third person. My talks are not in the forts person. When those who are seeking have grasped, it, they come up. Those who are read, they will come. Not others.

 

I supposed what I'm really trying to ask is whether the message should be placed before millions and millions of people or whether it should be restricted in its placement.

 

I think the reply has already been given by Christ. The farmer has sown seeds: some fell on the rocks, some fell on the ground, but some fell on the ready ground. You are to explain that. Maybe some are ready. I went to a nearby town and was sitting in the morning, saying, “ I will tell you, there is hope for the worst of robbers.” One head of the robbers was sitting in on the talk. “is there really any hope for robbers?”  “Yes,” I replied. Next day he turned up and requested initiation. He got initiation; he left off robbery and he brought other fellow robbers to be initiated. It is right to speak, but only they will catch it who are ready, not others.

 

So would you recommend as wide publicity as possible with the hope that someone might see, someone might  hear. . . . . . .

 

Those who have eyes may see. Those who have ears may hear. Not everybody. That is what was meant: “You speak from  the housetops.”   That was the message of deliverance. Only those will come to you whom God sends. Those  are ready, who are on the way. There is no need for exaggeration. The fact should be there. Sometimes people make a mountain out of a molehill . . . . . “He was flying in the air; he was doing this and that.” Those who have ears, who are ready, only they some inkling. That’s all.

 

Should we submit articles to new papers? Should we submit programs to televisions and radio stations?

 

I think there is no harm. One should be sincere. No exaggeration. No lies. Sometimes people say so many things simply to broadcast the name of the Master. Not that. You can say, “Such a man is coming who is awake. People have derived much benefit from Him.” They must at least know. People who are ready for spiritual things are after it. there is hope for them as in the past. Those who would like it may come and have a contact.

 

So the kind of things that perhaps would be appropriate would not be something that should exhort, that would try to  proselytize, but would just announce.

 

Announce. No exaggeration, just the facts. You can give articles to the papers on the subject of spirituality.  The general subject of spirituality can definitely be included. There are publications that do these things now and then, not all the time. their editors are known to those people concerned over there. Whether they’re paid for it, I don’t know. The majority pays them. There's no need to pay,  I think.

 

In other words, you would not recommended talking ads, but to submit articles instead of ads?

 

My point is to place some facts you’ve fortunately come to know; let these facts come to the notice of others, those who are seeking, that’s all. Bare facts. Sometimes they give very long, exaggerated announcements, which are misleading.

 

Would you suggest that placing ads announcing facts in newspapers be a high priory item for all satsangs?

 

I think if you’ve got something valuable, naturally you’d like to tell others who are near you. You are all brothers; whereas the harm? Most people are only interested in an idea when very exaggerated statements are made. If they come and don’t see, they won't read anything further. Now spirituality is a subject cannot be proved. How many, by only giving a meditation sitting, can give something? Very rare. But I think that will appeal only to those who are searching for it, not everybody. In a town of ten millions people, I think maybe fifteen or twenty people will be in  a satsang. There are away to broadcast news on radio and television so that you can make use of it, but broadcast news on radio and televisions so that you can make use of it, but not by exaggeration; that is wrong. Sometimes people speak over enthusiastically and then the people don’t find up to their expectations. I can give you an example. There was a man from –God knows what expectations were given to him there. He came here.  he was giving a sitting. He got bright sunlight. He heard the found of visions. Good experience. That was just a start – I told him if was just a start, you see. Someone had given him exaggeration accounts. He was disappointed; he was expecting  me to fly in the air or something like that. But he found me a man.

 

Have you had many television and radio people attracted to Delhi, to the ashram, to convey some of the activities which could then in turn be used in the United States or else where?

 

I never tired, but I was asked to talk on the radio –twice, thrice. They’re after me now to broadcast on television; some talk is to be given. I will go. I have to go . they have come up. I'm not, tell you, doing very much about approaching them, but they’re approaching me.

 

That’s always preferable.

 

Television people came to the last satsang; they recorded the talk. They came up of themselves. Now they want to make a regular film. They said, “This teaching that you give integration starts from the individual man. not from individual religions.” they broadcast it so many times. Twice I gave talks on the radio and they broadcasted it so many times. Twice I gave talks on the radio and they were repeated perhaps fifty times. The government asked me for an article on Guru Nanak . I never do anything of myself. When I am asked, I am to do. So I sent my article; my article was selected the best. Part of this article was issued in Satguru sandesh [January 19170]. It has gone out in all languages. It started, “Guru Nanak was not the monopoly of any sect.” I touched on his various integration reforms, as well as being a farmer, a lover of God. So in think there's no harm in telling any friend, true friend –give him inkling –”There's some hope,” but that’s all. The main thing is; don’t exaggerate; that spoil the whole show. Exaggeration spoils the whole show.

 

When I went to America, there was one gentleman, he’s assed away now, a Sikh gentlemen who was giving talks on payment. He married French lady. He was initiated by Baba Sawan Singh, I know, definitely. When he wrote his first book, he sent a copy to Baba Sawan Singh. Master gave it tome. It was a copy of what I had written. I wanted to meet him but he always evaded me. I was in America four months. I asked him for his program but he would change his program. We never met. He said he never even saw Baba Sawan Singh, and his book is the exact translation of a portion of book I had written.

 

Which book, guru mat sidhant?

 

Exactly.

 

What part?

 

Certain portions from the first and second part. I asked Mr. Khanna to approach him. He said, “He won't receive you.” I went to California. He left his home. I met his wife. When I was there he went to the East, and when I went to the West. Only to hide. He said he was  a born Master.

 

Yes, he said he had no need of a Master that he came directly from God.

 

That is what I say. And when he went to India, he never met me. so such like things are known. After all, the cats are out of the bag. Is it not? To sit at the feet of a Saint, is it a sin? A man who is given up of intoxication will seek those who have sufficient to drink. It is God intoxication. I have only given out that  which I got through the grace of God and through such a Saint. Then? Whereas the harm in it? his foremost disciple [of the self proclaimed Guru ] met me. he asked for initiation on my tour. He was with me in the car; he was asking me question, one, two, three, a hundred and one, like that. I politely replied quite calmly. He said, “I am very surprised. Had I talked to Him about these things, he should have slapped me in the face. He always gets angry. I put you so many question, and you politely and very calmly replied to me, but he should have slapped me in the face.”

 

In all Fairless, however his suggested that we contact you. She might have heard about it.

 

She knew about you.

 

When I went to California, his wife was there. He said he was initiated by some priest in the Himalayas.

 

He was actually an initiates of sawan Singh, wasn’t he?

 

Definitely, I know. He sent his first book to Baba Sawan Singh. I was there. Master ages it to me. He was in a regiment in amritsir. Such like things, I tell you, are not good. After all, these things come out. it I have got something , I have learned something from you, I must be grateful to you for that. Whatever little I have learned from you or anybody. Ungratefulness is a heinous crime, most heinous. The more the sheep bleats, the more morels fall down from his mouth.

 

I almost hesitate to ask what would happen to a person who did that.

 

Why should you worry about this? Even what I have told you; to be polite, this is wrong. You should not broadcast anything which is not correct. If you have a hundred dollars, tell people you have a hundred dollars. Don’t stay you’ve got a million dollars. This is what  I mean. People don’t believe all these annulments in the papers. That is one of the reason, you see. So these annulments need only be given in a very simple way, to attract the eyes of those who are really seekers. People don’t like to read long yarns. Simple facts. “many have benefited spiritually. Those who care may see. Something is there.” No exaggeration. Exaggeration spoils the whole show. Let the others say, “I am this and that.” Calmly and quietly a God man can give talks for an hour or two, heart –to heart, never tiring. He can speak all through the day. so honest statements are always best.